The Background of the Shocking Youth Message

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1. Mike

   December 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

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   Yeah, the message is shocking. Shockingly wrong. The lordship salvation doctrine is a false gospel promotes working toward maintaining you salvation.

2. Jeremy

   February 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

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   Mike, please read your bible. Then you could make comments that actually made sense.

3. Mike

   March 4th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

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   OK, can you please elaborate on your view? Where in the bible does it say that after we are saved we must work to maintain our salvation? It’s called the Lordship Salvation Doctrine, it’s false and it’s what your hero Paul Washer preaches. Please, tell me what the requirements are for salvation then.

   John 6:29 The work of God is this: Believe in the one he has sent. It doesn’t say AND…which is what Paul Wahser is adding.

4. Mike

   March 4th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

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   “Repentance is the very opposite of meritorious experience. It is the confession that one is utterly without merit, and if he is ever saved at all it can only be through the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ, ‘who gave himself a ransom for all.’ Here is firm footing for the soul who realizes that all self-effort is but sinking sand. Christ alone is the Rock of our salvation.” (Harry A. Ironside; Except Ye Repent, pg. 36)

5. Mike

   March 4th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

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   Romans 4:5,6, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.”

   This verse pretty much nullifies what Mr. Washer teaches. Also, he contradicts himself:

   What you need to know is that salvation is by faith, and faith alone in Jesus Christ. And faith alone in Jesus Christ is preceded and followed by repentance — a turning away from sin, a hatred for the things that God hates and a love for the things that God loves, a growing in holiness and a desire — not to be like Britney Spears, not to be the like world, and not to be like the great majority of American Christians; but to be like Jesus Christ.

   SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

   In one statement Paul Washer says that we are saved by faith alone; but then in the next statement he subtly requires giving up one’s sinful lifestyle to be saved. This is not faith alone. The Bible is clear that salvation is without works.

6. Tim

   April 12th, 2010 at 12:38 am

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   Paul Washer is not my hero, I disagree with him on some views, but I have this to offer. Faith and works go hand in hand. You can’t have one without the other. Paul shared this view in James 2. He said “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone”. Paul was so bold to say “..I will shew thee my faith by my works”. Salvation is a gift; we cannot earn salvation any way. In James 1:27 Paul tell us pure religion is this….to keep himself unspotted from the world. So Paul even said we had a part to keeping our salvation. In Revelations 3, Jesus addresses a church that was once alive and is in danger of being dead. He says if they endure to the end He will not “blot out his name out of the book of life”. Your name has to be in the book to “blot” it out, right? Last, what about John 6:66. John states that many of His disciples went back, and walked with Him no more. They were His, but they went back. The Bible has more cases of loosing your salvation, if you search.

7. Jani

   April 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

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   Mike Paul does not teach lordship salvation he simply says that to examine yourself andd see if you truly believe. Then he quotes the bible the passages of fruit. Really who else would God be referring too in the verse where it says many will call Lord Lord and he will tell them he did not know them. If you truly believe and have been saved you will see the changes.

8. Mike

   June 28th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

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   Tim, if we are all in danger of losing our salvation, then we are all in big trouble. Let me ask you this: how hard do you have to work to maintain it? How much do you have to do? Where is the cutoff line for keeping our salvation and losing it? How good do you have to be to maintain it? How do you know when you’ve crossed that line?

   Ephesians 1:13-14 sums it up concerning our guaranteed salvation vs. us having to maintain it:

   13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

9. Mike

   June 28th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

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   And Tim, the “hero” comment was directed at Jeremy who seemed to think I have nothing to say that made sense. Jeremy, I do read my bible, I never accused you of not reading yours, just because we’re debating about Paul Washer.

10. Mike

    June 28th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

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    Hi Jani, I always took that verse to mean the people that never knew him but claim to. Maybe like some of the money sucking televangelists. I agree that if you are truly believe you will see changes in your life. But if you fall short of the glory of God (which we all do), even so far as becoming “worldly”, Paul Washer says you have lost your salvation. My debate is that no you haven’t but you have compromised your relationship with the Lord. And I also believe that once you are saved, there is no “license to sin” just because your salvation is assured. But there are consequences to sin and also your relationship with God is broken. But there’s nothing we can do that will negate our salvation. Otherwise, where’s our freedom in Christ? We’d always be worried that we haven’t measured up today.

11. Mike

    June 28th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

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    I was just reading your comment again Jani. I know Paul Washer if really big on downplaying the “sinner’s prayer”. But I don’t know anyone that’s ever said that prayer and not meant it. I can’t imagine anyone being convicted to say that prayer and have to question if they REALLY believe. They believe or they wouldn’t have said it to begin with.